Long ago and far away when we lived in Alaska, there was a commercial greenhouse in town. This was the tiny city of McGrath, way off the grid, an outpost accessible only by dogsled or plane. The Native Corporation, flush with funds from the sale of oil and gas rights, decided to build the greenhouse in town to provide people with fresh veggies and of course, to make money. Here you can see the greenhouse in back of the local tavern, which was ever the bigger money maker. See the moose antlers over the door?
The greenhouse was built on 18 inches of gravel to protect it from permafrost. It was heated by waste heat from the nearby FAA facility. What a wonderful, sustainable idea. Or so it seemed. I was hired as a helper there. That summer we grew cucumbers, tomatoes, and strawberries, most of which no one in town would buy. Who ate fruits or vegetables, especially when they weren't wrapped? Most of the tomatoes our landlady fed to her turkeys.
Within a couple of months the advanced, expensive system of hydroponics got clogged on the peat moss inside. There was a proliferation of spider mites on the strawberry plants that quickly attacked the rest of the crops. Operations were closed for awhile in the fall while prodigious pesticides were applied to the whole space. And that winter people found they couldn't grow anything. Surprise! There wasn't a reliable source of light.
The weight of the first big snow brought the structure down and that was the end of the McGrath greenhouse.
What does this have to do with gardening in malls? Today's New York Times ran a piece on empty shopping malls being used as indoor gardens. It reminded me of our greenhouse which, incidentally, was staffed with a professional horticulturist brought down from Fairbanks.
What can be the fate of a mall garden? Where will the expertise come to run it? How can it provide the kind of light needed for growing plants? One of the people they interviewed for the article found that aphids spread fast indoors. The solution? A container of ladybugs! Do we really buy the idea that this would cover the whole interior of a mall? What about heating the mall? Maintaining it? Keeping it safe? Does anyone think the kale they grow inside will cover the enormous costs of running thousands of square feet of former retail space? The concept that mall spaces, overbuilt in the first place, could provide conditions for indoor growing at a commercial scale seems to me outrageous and as poorly thought out as the malls themselves.
Maybe you think otherwise, I'd love to hear! Meanwhile here's a picture of our little log cabin in McGrath, Alaska, where we lived during 1981-1982.
very interesting
ReplyDeleteI think this is a terrible idea considering your story regarding the McGrath greenhouse. I think using commercial malls as indoor gardens would be the greenhouse situation on a way larger and more severe scale. We can't control nature.
ReplyDelete-Chelsea Mencio
It seems like a very neat experience, being in that greenhouse. Also, it is interesting that the ladybugs can be a solution.
ReplyDelete-Meredith Miller
very interesting in terms of how a business can be so directly impacted by the enivronment
ReplyDeleteNo way will they be able to cover the costs unless they charge outlandish prices. In turn, these prices would not cater to the consumers. Simply put, this was not thought out well.
ReplyDelete~Nick Boccuzzi
Well, where are these malls? Alaska has extreme temperatures, but if the climate is completely different where the malls are, maybe it could be worth experimenting.
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ReplyDeleteThis is a very interesting story. When I read about greenhouses overtaking a shopping mall's interior, I remembered the sight inside the Madrid Atocha Railway Station. A large unnecessary garden was in the middle of the station with many baby turtles lurking around. The temperature of the station was also adjusted to suite the environment of the plant life.
ReplyDeleteHere is a picture of the station's interior: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/59497629
- Adrija Vaiciulionis
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ReplyDeleteDepending on the location of the malls they can use some form of a Green roof system. http://www.liveroof.com/
ReplyDeleteGardening requires a lot of maintenance inside or out.
This is really interesting. I think that gardening indoors is really strange though and not natural at all. I also don't think that the idea of gardening inside of malls is very well thought out either and I am not sure I understand exactly how that would work.
ReplyDeleteEmily
I like the idea of using empty malls for a productive and natural purpose, but it seems like a huge financial risk. We have no idea how much money it will actually take to make a successful "mall garden" and I'm just not sure if that's a project worth taking such a large risk for.
ReplyDeleteThis is a great example of the link between business and environment.
ReplyDelete-Matt Auerbach
It is a very interesting idea, but I do not think it was thought out very well. The cost of the proportion of such a mall will definitely exceed the net income from the sales of the fruits and vegetables.
ReplyDeleteI have never heard of such an experiment, but it is certainly interesting to read about.
-Cibelle
I think that the idea of using an old space to it's full potential is a good idea, but since these malls were not created to be an adequate environment for the plants to be grown in.
ReplyDeleteI think this is a very interesting idea and I would be interested in seeing if they can make it work or if it will have the same outcome as the Mcgrath greenhouse. I think for the idea to be successful it would be a very expensive project.
ReplyDeleteAmanda Durocher
At first glance a mall garden sounds like a great idea. However, maybe it is just one of those things that sound good on paper. I agree with you, professor; I do not think it could work out.
ReplyDeleteThe mall garden is an interesting topic and reminds me of the Eden Project in the UK. It shows how ecosystems are so delicate and depend on every factor to produce and function the way they do now.
ReplyDeleteBrittany Sebade
After your experience with the McGrath greenhouse, it seems that trying to build a greenhouse in empty malls would be foolish. It is an interesting idea however.
ReplyDeleteBuilding and sustaining a greenhouse inside a massive mall is ambitious. Ambitious, but poorly planned. With your experience in the McGrath situation, it seems that many have not completely thought out the process and work that must be involved in creating such a successful environment. Maybe shelling out a ridiculous amount of money can help the greenhouse malls - but then we could create a greenhouse anywhere. Or perhaps - gasp! - we could have enough funding to aid the environment elsewhere.
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AJ Earle
After hearing what took place in the greenhouse in Alaska, it seems a reasonable conclusion that gardening in a mall would fail in a similar way. On a side note, I can't believe you lived in that cabin at 70 degrees below zero!
ReplyDelete-Ryan Meese
Hmm. If this whole gardening façade is in the name of sustainability, I have a better idea: Run the air-conditioning system at 2 degrees higher in summer, and the heating system at 2 degrees lower in winter. Very interesting though.
ReplyDelete-Gunita Singh
The idea of utilizing former malls as places to garden is interesting. Personally, I feel that this solution would be very costly and ineffective. By considering some factors such as heating and maintenance, it seems difficult to convert the atmosphere of a mall into a garden. A serious consideration for renovation would be need.
ReplyDelete-Cheryl T.
Ladybugs are perfect security for the malls because they kill the ugly and harmful bugs. Its sad the greenhouse fell apart the way it did, but it reflects the demand for the crops they were growing.
ReplyDeleteAn interesting idea - one which I thought would actually be very profitable but it turns out not at all! It seems very risky, especially since there is no guarantee that the process will go smoothly, and also expensive to run.
ReplyDeleteAn interesting experience in Alaska. It is a shame it didn't work. i think retro fitting a mall to become a greenhouse is a cool idea but the initial capital investment would be too extreme for any wise investor.
ReplyDeleteThis idea is a really good example of how the environment can be influenced heavily by human impact and the business world.
ReplyDelete- Molly Munroe
The concept of a greenhouse in a mall actually seems really clever, but very unnatural. I feel as if it would be more work to have a greenhouse in a mall since it is such a large space rather than somewhere smaller. The log cabin you lived in seems awesome!
ReplyDelete-Gabriella
An interesting idea but if people wouldn't buy products from a cute little greenhouse they won't buy them from a mall either.
ReplyDelete-Jess Musto
Its sad to hear that a great idea like this failed. The original plan seemed like a great way to bring fresh fruits and vegetables to the area but its disappointing that it failed. I agree with you comment that it does not seem logical to think you could possibly sell enough to outweigh the expenses of running a green house mall. However, I think if this project is executed correctly it would be a great way to start making steps towards reversing the damage we have cause to the environment.
ReplyDelete-Johnmichael Faustini
Not sure if growing a lot of plants in a mall would work. I don't know much about greenhouses, but it seems to me that a small confined space is easier to maintain, control and keep track of how the plants are doing. A greenhouse the size of the mall would take a lot of planning and upkeep.
ReplyDeleteNot sure how planting things inside a mall would work. However, if the mall were altered to be like a greenhouse then maybe? Nonetheless, probably the main reason as to why they consider such an idea is to make use of vacant non-revenue generating malls. To restore these malls and make use of them, could stir the local economy, help the local community, and be eco friendly.
ReplyDeleteIt is interesting that they would try to convert a shopping mall into a garden. Perhaps results would be better if they just razed the building and made it a park!
ReplyDeleteGene
I think that was a good idea in Canada, it is too bad they had so many issues! However, I do not think that mall gardens would be very successful due to the amount of problems that growing plants indoors is vulnerable to.
ReplyDelete-Nicole Marino
I appreciate this because it is an example of self-sustainability. Even if it failed, it was a good effort to supply this part of alaska with fresh produce that would otherwise not be available without the help of the greenhouse. Shopping malls often have wasted space, and if certain areas were dedicated to growing plants it could be successful depending on the type of plants being grown.
ReplyDeleteI don't think having gardening areas inside malls would work seeing what happened in this story. Although those people have good intentions and it might actually work since Alaska is an extreme case, I believe that it is too much of a risk.
ReplyDeleteThe cabin was so cute! It is amazing how people have such creative ideas but do not carefully think out how to actually implement them. I think it is safe to say that creating something like a farm within an old shopping mall not only requires funds and other inputs to successfully run it, but it also requires a strong will from many people to organize such a thing. Overall, it was thought out with good intentions, however it seems highly unrealistic.
ReplyDelete-Mary Rassias
While the costs of an indoor “mall” greenhouse are sure to be expensive, greenhouses are not new concept. In a cold climate, such as in McGrath, Alaska, the costs would likely be higher than in a warmer climate due to heating costs, but that should not take greenhouses off the planning boards completely. Maybe there just needs to be new technology invented that will be more cost and energy efficient. In a place such as McGrath, this could allow people to have fresh fruits and vegetables that are locally grown and save on the cost of shipping. If the greenhouse could take over the space in an abandoned building, such as a mall, that would be even better.
ReplyDelete-Ashley Waters
Pretty neat if the idea of a mall could be utilized to become a garden. It would work pretty well especially in an area with very extreme conditions such as Alaska.
ReplyDeleteThis is a very interesting concept. But, I think I personally would prefer to eat crops from the “great outdoors,” grown “normally” (preferably organically, though I will admit I have not checked/kept up on ensuring the produce I buy is pesticide free...) But, after reading about the problems of the Alaskan greenhouse, my convictions against greenhouses/indoor garden produce was strengthened. It just doesn’t seem natural... If it could be proved to me it was just the same, I might change my mind though. - Alex Shadrow
ReplyDeleteThough this plan seems a bit far fetched, it does seem to be in its beginning stages. Like some before me have said, if they convert the mall into a greenhouse it could work. However, I am curious how they would generate the revenue to even make the space into a greenhouse, let alone run it after the renovations. The whole project sounds extremely costly. I highly doubt there is anyone who would just hand over money for this seemingly unprofitable project.
ReplyDelete-Jessica Cordero-Wilson
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